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Old 10-27-2006, 01:22 PM
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Old 10-27-2006, 01:36 PM
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[/quote]"The fact that my computer picked up a virus from clicking a link that then quietly scanned my drive looking for personal data to forward to some IP doesn't matter now that I'm gonna die" ?

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Old 10-27-2006, 05:59 PM
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Read a book years ago of CVR recordings, don't remember what it was called. Couple of the more poignant ones went like this:

"Hey George, look at this! This approach plate is 5 years old!"

"Yeah, they don't keep the charter jobs up to date..."

Sound of impact



"So is there any terrain around here?"

"Well, I've got class 3 bearings on Urblegurble and Humptydump, we should be OK..."

Sound of impact


Jet on fire on uncontrolled descent.

Captain "Hmmm, hmmm, hmmm de hmmm, Coke adds life, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm de hmmm..."

Sound of impact
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Old 10-27-2006, 07:01 PM
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one member with good virus detection checked out the site and found no problems
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Old 10-27-2006, 09:06 PM
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That's a BS site w/Google ads all over the place posted by a spammer who has no interest in canards. Every click puts more money in that guy's pocket and counts as a "YES" vote that this technique for making money works.
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Old 10-27-2006, 11:33 PM
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i went there . no prob.
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Old 11-27-2006, 06:30 PM
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oktober 4, 1992. El Al 747 (freighter), Amsterdam, the Netherlands. Aircraft uncontrolled into terrain (large appartment building).

reference http://www.nrc.nl/redactie/W2/Lab/En...rt/h2_p04.html in dutch (national newspaper quoting on public hearings of parliament commission investigating the accident)

cockpit voice recorder (captain): 18.35.25 (local time) "going down"
cockpit voice recorder ends on 18.35.41 (local time)
airport tower controller (crash occurred while on approach of runway): 18.35.45 (4 seconds after CVR ends) "Het is gebeurd" ("It has happened").
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Old 11-27-2006, 06:44 PM
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Glad you reminded me

>>From http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe...eut/index.html...

"Experts blame the rise in spam on computer programs that hijack millions of home computers to send e-mails.

These "zombie networks", also called "botnets", can link 100,000 home computers without their owners' knowledge."


>>I've heard of this being done to find 'private' logins to investment and banking sites on your pc so they can then raid your accounts.


>>A couple months back I've heard of hackers getting around firewalls and not being detected by 'very good anti-virus' software.




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Old 11-27-2006, 07:34 PM
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"Experts blame the rise in spam on computer programs that hijack millions of home computers to send e-mails.
These "zombie networks", also called "botnets", can link 100,000 home computers without their owners' knowledge."

>>I've heard of this being done to find 'private' logins to investment and banking sites on your pc so they can then raid your accounts.

>>A couple months back I've heard of hackers getting around firewalls and not being detected by 'very good anti-virus' software.
This is all 100% the truth. I was involved with a botnet-buster group a while back. It was our job to lure and snare, and then collect evidence, with which we would report them to the authorities. It was quite a thrill joining a private IRC chatroom imitating one of their bots so as not to be detected. Some chatrooms had 1000+ compromised Linux Servers, or many many thousands of home and office winboxes. eeerie. It wasn't just spam either - there were some really nasty situatuations going down.

http://www.shadowserver.org

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Old 11-27-2006, 11:56 PM
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cockpit voice recorder (captain): 18.35.25 (local time) "going down"
Sorry Hugo, didn't mean to suppress this.

By the way, when you're having an emergency and trying to keep from going down, too much conversation can trip you up. In the one emergency I had where I had to evaluate the situation and was trying to make a decision, I had someone on the radio inquiring about the situation. It put me into overload and I flipped the radio off. I noticed that when (either) one of my sons, as kids, was in the middle of a video game and the other son would try to talk to him, invariably the playing son would get screwed up. Those borrowed mind slices make a difference.

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Some chatrooms had 1000+ compromised Linux Servers,
Wow, I've never actually heard of Linux getting hacked but I did assumed I simply wasn't informed. But yeah...
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Old 11-28-2006, 09:41 AM
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Wow, I've never actually heard of Linux getting hacked but I did assumed I simply wasn't informed. But yeah...
I've admin'd a number of boxen over the years, and run into many more that were compromised. Hacked is the wrong word...I've never run into any of the comp'd linux/bsd/macos/etc boxen that were actually cracked through malicious means (save one unexplained takeover on a Redhat box). Every one of them was taken over with more pedestrian methods..poorly configured security measures, bad passwords, known unpatched holes you can drive a truck through, etc. It's not rocket science...people are just bad at security.

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Old 11-28-2006, 11:39 AM
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known unpatched holes you can drive a truck through
SSSSSH! OpenSource software doesnt have holes! Havent you read the slashdot artical comments on Windows service packs and hot fixes? OSS is superior to all in security cause they dont have new patches every week.... or something.

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Old 11-28-2006, 01:33 PM
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No Steve, I'm not trying to start a war, just joking around.
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Yes, it is quite feasible to install Linux software that is vulnerable. Its not the Operating System itself - usually some web portal like a forum that has a hole in it. All forums have a hole somewhere - its just a matter of time before it's discovered and fixed - it's the way of the Internet. The danger is running obsolete software.

It's different with windows.. the Operating System itself is so easy to crack its bordering on the rediculous, and to boot, ms is planning to block third-party virus vendors (their antivirus wont work any more).. likely so they can corner that market for themselves.. I dont have any strong feelings about it because I dont use anything from ms. The freedom is breathtaking mac users nod in unison..

Its sad watching a deal go down for 1000 keylogger usernames and passwords. It shocks you into seeing that the Internet is full of real people with feelings and lives. You begin to picture them in front of their PCs. Not nice.


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Old 11-28-2006, 02:47 PM
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Two things:

1) The originator of this thread is a spammer who does this on many different forums so that he gains more clicks into his money-making Google ad site. Google "english4ever" (the root of his web site) if you don't believe me. The longer those first two posts (and any others that reference back to his money site) exist, the more you encourage such behavior. Still, I suppose it's a step above porn.

2) I tried, but can't bear to leave this misinformation as-is...

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Yes, it is quite feasible to install Linux software that is vulnerable. Its not the Operating System itself...
It's different with windows.. the Operating System itself is so easy to crack its bordering on the rediculous...
According to this source, Linux is more vulnerable to attacks than Windows in 2005.

To say that the Linux OS has no vulnerabilities is incorrect -- they just haven't been exploited yet. Also, to say that Windows -- at least the 3-year old Windows Server 2003 OS -- is junk is something that MOST of the businesses in the United States will disagree with you on. What versions are you comparing? Linux circa 2006 vs. Windows 95? Compare the current versions of Linux with the current versions of Windows XP/2003.

Vulnerabilities do indeed exist within the Linux OS and are corrected all the time. Same goes for Windows. There are benefits to Linux and Open Source (two different topics), but "perfect" is not one of them.
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