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Old 06-14-2007, 04:40 PM
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Pardon my ignorance, but how does the internal bellhorns (which the Velocity comes with) make a difference with manuvers?

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Old 06-14-2007, 04:43 PM
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Pardon my ignorance, but how does the internal bellhorns (which the Velocity comes with) make a difference with manuvers?

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I gotta believe that was tongue-in-cheek...
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Old 06-14-2007, 04:50 PM
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I agree about the zero airspeed manuvers!
You can fight a dutch roll all the way to the ground.
As far as aerobatics in a Long......what do you think is going to happen?
The plane will stand more Gs than the pilot.
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Old 06-14-2007, 05:13 PM
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But loops and rolls in a CANARD?!?!? Doesn't sound like a good idea...

----> Tom Staggs was part of the professional airshow circuit for a few years. His aircraft? A Long-EZ. He even did inverted flight.
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Old 06-14-2007, 05:24 PM
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Just to play devil's advocate here........I bought my plans for my Long-EZ from a guy who opted out when he found a Vari-eze that was complete.
He did all kinds of aerobatics with that plane. Rolls, wing-over, etc......
You can read about him here.
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Old 06-14-2007, 05:26 PM
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Pardon my ignorance, but how does the internal bellhorns (which the Velocity comes with) make a difference with manuvers?
When you do a tail slid, the rudders slam around against the winglets. This either bends the external rudder bellhorn flat, or punches it through the winglet.

The internal bellhorns will prevent this from happening, because they have hard stops, the rudder cannot slam all the way around against the winglet.

This should actually make recovering from a tail slide significantly easier. (rudders deployed)

I hate when that happens.

Only those maneuvers that have been demonstrated and documented during Phase I flight testing are approved for the airframe. If you did not perform the maneuver during Phase 1, then it should NOT be attempted while in Phase II.

Could a Cozy IV perform acrobatic maneuvers, I see no reason why not.

Would I perform a loop or roll in a Cozy IV with three passangers, Not unless this manauver was demonstrated during Phase I with the passanger seats ballasted to simulate the weights of those passangers.


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Old 06-14-2007, 06:31 PM
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But loops and rolls in a CANARD?!?!? Doesn't sound like a good idea...

----> Tom Staggs was part of the professional airshow circuit for a few years. His aircraft? A Long-EZ. He even did inverted flight.
Yes, I read your post on that in the archives. And what did he say about doing this in a 4-place bird...? Obviously I should have said "Loops and rolls in a COZY?!?!? Doesn't sound like a good idea..."

Does that fix it?
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Old 06-14-2007, 07:57 PM
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Tom Staggs was part of the professional airshow circuit for a few years. His aircraft? A Long-EZ. He even did inverted flight.
That's true. But if you talk to Tom today, as I have a number of times on this issue, he'll tell you that he stopped doing extensive aerobatics in the Long because there's he came to understand that it was far too dangerous, with no margin for error, especially at low altitudes.

There are folks who do positive G aerobatics in COZY's, and if you're well trained in aerobatics in very clean aircraft, it's probably not a completely stupid thing to do (as long as you do it solo, or with parachutes for you and your passengers). That's hardly a ringing endorsement, clearly. As John M. pointed out, you shouldn't (in the legal sense) do anything in your aircraft that you haven't demonstrated and tested in the Phase I period.
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Old 06-14-2007, 08:10 PM
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Of course, I agree. My post was not to promote aerobatics in our canards, but to counter the fear that recreational canard aerobatics is sure suicide. My post was poorly worded, which I'm sure is an artifact of lack of sleep brought about by working past midnight most nights this week. I'll spare the details.

Yes, and Tom has admitted to scaring the crap out of himself a few times to boot.
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Old 06-15-2007, 02:23 AM
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Of course, I agree. My post was not to promote aerobatics in our canards, but to counter the fear that recreational canard aerobatics is sure suicide.

Yes, and Tom has admitted to scaring the crap out of himself a few times to boot.
I hate it when I scare the crapout of myself....but it does keepme 'regular'.
Really.
This was agood post because I learned that I need to do rolls during phase I testing with a right seater ballast position and recorded weight and C.g.

Positive G looping/roll manurers[sp ] with appropriate altitude are acceptable its a known fact and has been spoken of on many occasions. [do I sound familiar?]
but really. My previous post is as I understood the general Canardian coagulation of collected conclusion regarding the confusion relating towards this contusion. That is- Aerobic manuverz are NOT recommended- by Nat.
'Recommended' ....like the 400# front seat 'limit'?
Really?
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Old 06-15-2007, 07:28 AM
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In compliance with the FAA rules regarding interior markings and limitations, I have a placard clearly posted on my instrument panel. It states the following limitation:

"Straight an level flight is strictly prohibited in this aircraft"

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