Canard Community Forum  

Go Back   Canard Community Forum > Talk All About Canard Aviation > PreBuild Planning and ACTIONS > Plane Day
FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

View Poll Results: Switch on or off
ON 11 61.11%
OFF 7 38.89%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 18. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04-03-2005, 01:15 AM
Steve parkins's Avatar
Steve parkins Steve parkins is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: wa state
Posts: 2,163
Default ARE YOU BUILDING..ON or OFF

just wondering who is building what and what chapter, but the poll is for the switch................are you ON or OFF
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04-03-2005, 08:00 AM
adouglas's Avatar
adouglas adouglas is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 236
Default

I voted OFF because while I *am* building, I'm not building my own airplane, and it's not a canard anyway...I'm just a serf, building a giant tin toy.

"Yes, Master, what is thy bidding?"

One thing I'm wondering is, with oil skyrocketing, is anyone having second thoughts about building? Last week Goldman Sachs put out a worst-case forecast of $100+/barrel oil. (I reallly, REALLY don't think that will happen, but I DO think we'll see $3+ mogas by fall, which means avgas somewhere between $4 and $5/gallon.)
__________________
=====
Not started yet, maybe never will (currently having an affair with an RV project...shhh...don't tell my set of Cozy plans)....

MORE COWBELL!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-03-2005, 10:47 AM
John Slade's Avatar
John Slade John Slade is offline
Flying TurboRotaryCozyIV
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: KWST
Posts: 3,836
Default

Quote:
with oil skyrocketing, is anyone having second thoughts about building?
The higher the price of oil the more you save by having you're own plane. Flying a Cozy (in terms of mpg) is cheaper (and incidentally much faster) than driving a Tahoe by a large margin. Higher oil prices mean higher cost commercial flights. I would expect increased oil prices to drive people toward homebuilts in droves.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-03-2005, 01:18 PM
Dust's Avatar
Dust Dust is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Troy, Michigan
Posts: 7,963
Default

I love these polls - especially when they are months old and have no further meaning and they are brought back alive - fun stuff
__________________
Enjoy the build,njut av byggandet, godere il costruire, nyd bygningen, geniesse den Bau, apolafse tin kataskevi, disfrute la construcción, curta a construção, Pidä hauskaa rakentamisen parissa, bouw lekker,uživaj grade?inaslajdaites postroikoi, geniet die bou
dust

maker of wood, fiberglass, foam dust, metal bits and one day a Cozy will pop out and swiftly whisk me from meeting old friends and family to adventures throughout the world
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 04-03-2005, 01:26 PM
levansic's Avatar
levansic levansic is offline
Back to square one
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Tehachapi, California
Posts: 499
Default

I voted "Off" too, but I'm closer than I've ever been to building. I've got my plans and I'm in the middle of upgrading my shop. My wife is more on board than ever. I've shed many of my other time commitments to make building possible.

Unfortunately, my daughter's health problems have necessitated a chain reaction of events that have put a serious crimp on our available money situation for the extended foreseeable future. Ironically, it was her health problems that caused me to start looking into building a plane in the first place, to make extended family visits more bearable and commonplace.

I had plans on kicking into high gear with completion of the plane in less than two years from start. Now it looks like I'll be taking the long road and competing with Mr. Parkins for the low-dollar resourcefulness crown to get to the same place, eventually.

I hate to be a bummer, as there are a few people here dealing with much greater hardships and persevering. I can look on the bright side that I'm young (relatively) and that I will start the build someday when my situation improves enough. Taking time to do things right can benefit with lower costs in the end, as avionics will become more capable and cheaper, by the time I need to install them. Unfortunately, the price of fiberglass has doubled over the last 12 years, and it may continue upwards riding the cost of oil, but I plan on buying most, if not all of the glass upfront. Perhaps by the time I need to commit to an engine, Mr. Slade's turbo rotary may be well proven with over 1000 hours on the Hobbs. I hope to be at that point a lot sooner than that.

-- Len
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 04-03-2005, 10:01 PM
Clutch Cargo's Avatar
Clutch Cargo Clutch Cargo is offline
w/ Spinner and Paddlefoot
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Cape Coral, FL
Posts: 602
Arrow What??? No "gray area"???

Can you define "ON" and "OFF" ?

Y'know, actually getting dirty and cutting things and using epoxy.....

Or is gathering parts, tools, moving stuff around in the garage, building places to hang templates negotiating with foam mfgrs n' stuff like that considered "building" ?

Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-03-2005, 10:05 PM
Remi Khu Remi Khu is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Stilwell, KS
Posts: 280
Default

I voted "ON" because I'm working on chapter 5. A little slower than anticipated but it's progress nonetheless.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 04-03-2005, 10:42 PM
Steve parkins's Avatar
Steve parkins Steve parkins is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: wa state
Posts: 2,163
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Clutch Cargo
Can you define "ON" and "OFF" ?

Y'know, actually getting dirty and cutting things and using epoxy.....

Or is gathering parts, tools, moving stuff around in the garage, building places to hang templates negotiating with foam mfgrs n' stuff like that considered "building" ?

hell yes thats building
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 04-03-2005, 10:44 PM
Steve parkins's Avatar
Steve parkins Steve parkins is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: wa state
Posts: 2,163
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Remi Khu
I voted "ON" because I'm working on chapter 5. A little slower than anticipated but it's progress nonetheless.
5.........5 you just started......WOW you going to beet me!
slow down some....lol
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 04-03-2005, 10:50 PM
Andrew Anunson's Avatar
Andrew Anunson Andrew Anunson is offline
Chapter 4
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Pound, VA
Posts: 160
Default

Heel Yeah.... but building the building to build in. Today put up some sheet rock and waiting for the vinyl siding to arrive. That has to be building if its a building for the plane.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 04-03-2005, 10:58 PM
adouglas's Avatar
adouglas adouglas is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 236
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by John Slade
The higher the price of oil the more you save by having you're own plane. Flying a Cozy (in terms of mpg) is cheaper (and incidentally much faster) than driving a Tahoe by a large margin. Higher oil prices mean higher cost commercial flights. I would expect increased oil prices to drive people toward homebuilts in droves.
That statement is only true if a) you *have* to fly someplace and/or b) if you drive a vehicle that gets crappy gas mileage. Neither of those conditions applies to me, and I suspect that when you get right down to it they don't apply to most people.

Personally I view an airplane as a recreational vehicle, not basic transportation. I don't actually need to travel long distances. Even if I did, the occasional airline flight is still cheaper than the ongoing cost of owning an airplane. Unless you fly on airlines a *lot* it doesn't make economic sense to own an airplane solely for the purpose of replacing airline travel.

Furthermore, IMHO few of the fools...er, individuals...who have bought Tahoes and their ilk actually *need* vehicles that large. I live in the NYC burbs, and the vast majority (well over 90%) of the huge SUVs I see have one occupant and are not used for business (those folks do need big vehicles for their livelihood, and I feel sorry for them). I drive a car that's remarkably large inside (bigger than quite a few SUVs, actually, though I could probably park it inside a Tahoe) and gets 30 mpg.

Since I don't need to travel and since my car gets better fuel economy than a Cozy, it doesn't matter how expensive oil gets. It's still cheaper for someone like me not to own an airplane.

I'm still hopeful that I can afford it long term, of course.

Given this, I'd tend to think that a lot of people would either get out of aviation entirely or rethink entering it in the first place.

If you assume that you *have* to fly and can't drive less expensively, then sure, it could make more sense than the alternative. But I think that the number of people who actually do have that legitimate need are in the minority.
__________________
=====
Not started yet, maybe never will (currently having an affair with an RV project...shhh...don't tell my set of Cozy plans)....

MORE COWBELL!

Last edited by adouglas : 04-04-2005 at 07:51 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 04-03-2005, 10:59 PM
Remi Khu Remi Khu is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Stilwell, KS
Posts: 280
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve parkins
5.........5 you just started......WOW you going to beet me!
slow down some....lol
Yeah Steve, Chapter 5. I think it's going slow, realizing that completing the airframe is only 10-20% of the project. The finishing, engine, and instrumentation will be the bulk of the work. At least that's what I gathered from watching and listening.


BTW Steve, how about making some parts for me: the main gear tab tube and bushing (MKMG) assemblies, the canard lift tab, and the fuselage step.

What say ye?? PM me for the pricing unless you want to open discuss.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 04-04-2005, 12:27 AM
JonC's Avatar
JonC JonC is offline
LEz - N555LE Q - N555QA
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Mountain View, CA
Posts: 997
Default

Off... sadly.

I've decided for the moment that my money is probably better spent on finishing my schooling.... to be an aerospace engineer, ironically, so in a way I'm working in the right direction.

Oh well, for the moment I have the restoration of a 1970 Merlin IIB to keep my building appetite in check. Every time I pull out more insulation and see more corrosion it makes the choice to build a composite aircraft more and more easy.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 04-04-2005, 10:51 AM
levansic's Avatar
levansic levansic is offline
Back to square one
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Tehachapi, California
Posts: 499
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by adouglas
Since I don't need to travel and since my car gets better fuel economy than a Cozy, it doesn't matter how expensive oil gets. It's still cheaper for someone like me not to own an airplane.
If you don't need to travel then it doesn't make any difference what plane you build (or buy). I'm building for traveling efficiency.

I have two cars that my family can fit into. One of them gets 30 mpg, but has little cargo space, and the other gets 18 mpg, but can fit everything we need for a long trip plus our dogs. Now I know that I can't fit my dogs and everything in a Cozy, and it will probably average about 18 mpg, so why do I want to bother?

Time! It takes between five and seven hours to drive to the grandparents, while both sets are about an hour and a half away by air at Cozy speeds. To me, that's 3-1/2 to 5-1/2 hours each way that I am not cramped in to get 12 mpg better. Even with the awful price of gas right now, we still opt for the less efficient car for long trips, because it is comfortable for the amount of time that you are held captive. The Cozy will be more efficient for us because it gives us more time to do something other than travel to destinations.

While my value of time spent with the extended family can vary like the stock market, it is almost always higher than the cost of gas to get there.

-- Len
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 04-04-2005, 04:02 PM
Dust's Avatar
Dust Dust is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Troy, Michigan
Posts: 7,963
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JonC
Every time I pull out more insulation and see more corrosion it makes the choice to build a composite aircraft more and more easy.
what else can be said - heh heh heh
__________________
Enjoy the build,njut av byggandet, godere il costruire, nyd bygningen, geniesse den Bau, apolafse tin kataskevi, disfrute la construcción, curta a construção, Pidä hauskaa rakentamisen parissa, bouw lekker,uživaj grade?inaslajdaites postroikoi, geniet die bou
dust

maker of wood, fiberglass, foam dust, metal bits and one day a Cozy will pop out and swiftly whisk me from meeting old friends and family to adventures throughout the world
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:12 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.