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View Poll Results: How many have had a gear up landing
one 8 14.55%
more than one 0 0%
None 15 27.27%
not flying yet 32 58.18%
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Old 09-05-2007, 10:31 AM
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my design parameter

if it can be done wrong, I'll probably do it wrong and pay the consequences

I have the auto extend nose gear option and hope, really hope that it never has to save the day
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:54 PM
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The problem isn't always that the pilot doesn't follow the checklist. Humans are very capable of seeing what they believe to true, not necessarily what is. If you a running the checklist with the firm belief that you've already put the gear down, your quick glance at the '3 green' is just as likely to confirm that opinion, regardless of whether the lights are on or not. The previous example of 'Bangi 25' swearing he ran the checklist and the lights were green isn't necessarily an example of a pilot failing to run the checklist, it is an example of a pilot running a checklist with the belief that he really doesn't need to.

This is why a loud, obnoxious fail safe alarm on the gear is both a good thing and a dangerous thing. If you are firmly convinced the gear is down, and then this loud, obnoxious alarm goes off on very short final, it can be very disorienting because instead of immediately connecting it to the gear down alarm, your mind tries to find a match for this event in the realm of what it believes possible, and 'gear up' isn't in that domain.

The more convinced you are that you'll never make that mistake, the easier it is for you to see those 'green' light when you make your unnecessary glance at them.
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Old 09-14-2007, 07:57 PM
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I've been flying for 29 years last June and most of it has been retract and mostly at night!
I've never landed gear up in: Aztec, Navajo, Commander 112, Arrow and Commanche in all those years.
I have always used a checklist, every time, without missing.
They work, if you use them.

Of course I'm getting older and my flying days aren't up yet.

Maybe, someday, I'll forget where to land.
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