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View Poll Results: What type of gear will (or would) you install
Featherlite Strut 47 45.19%
Infinity Retracts 43 41.35%
Aerocad fixed gear 2 1.92%
Other retract system 12 11.54%
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Old 01-24-2006, 10:26 AM
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...... In a recent SS1 presentation given by Doug Shannon, Chief of Flight Operations at Scaled.....
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Old 01-24-2006, 11:00 AM
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Argggg!
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Old 01-25-2006, 06:45 PM
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Why does this keep showing up in the New Posts section with nothing added?

Anyway, if I could get John to install retracts, he would have all of the systems I want refined by the time I'm ready to install them... well... except the AC.
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Old 01-25-2006, 07:36 PM
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Why does this keep showing up in the New Posts section with nothing added?
It's an "unwanted feature" of the software. Every time someone votes, it gets in the new posts section.

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if I could get John to install retracts
No problem. Just send me a set.
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Old 01-25-2006, 07:50 PM
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I suppose I'll get them back after you're through testing?
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Old 02-02-2006, 10:58 AM
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Getting ready to start on my cozy #1390 but one question keeps popping up -with the Infinity gear - what does that do to the question of insurability? The powerplant will be an out-of-the-box XP-360 (the Innodyn is tempting but not in the budjet). The gear is the only plan deviation - well not exactly, fwd opening canopy too.

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Old 02-02-2006, 04:36 PM
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No effect, The aircraft is already considered a "Retract"

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Old 02-02-2006, 04:37 PM
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I think a lot of the insurers count the Cozy as a retract anyway because of the nose gear. Insurability seems to go up and down based on the barometer. Usually it's based mostly on the type, and the pilot's flight experience. Most Cozy owners go with liability only, no hull. When I got my liability quote it was $800 or so. Then they asked about the engine. Having a rotary added about $80. Your milage may vary.
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Old 02-12-2006, 04:07 PM
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this was written by Frank Pullano and copyied to this forum from the yahoo forum. Frank is tring to ferry his retractable Long eze back home from Chino Ca

Well,

Danny and I took off for TKI this morning but after a few minutes we found
that the engine temps were pretty hot and we were pretty sure that one or
both of the main gear were hanging just a bit out. When this happens the
armpits don't get decent air and the obvious occurs.

We turned around and headed back for MAF and flew by the tower to see if
they could confirm the gear status. They were able to see that the left
main was hanging out about a foot or so.

We climbed up above the field and cycled the gear. We then found that the
#2 & #4 jugs were the hot ones so we figured now it was the right main
hanging out of the well. We were lucky to have a King Air volunteer to fly
chase for us and they tower actually approved all of this hullabaloo and
even vectored the King Air in on us.

The King air came up underneath and was able to confirm that the right main
was hanging out a bit. We cycled the gear down again, and up again. Same
problem.

At this point we were at 8k over a 3k-MSL field and told them we were going
to land. Getting the gear to come down wasn't a problem, getting it to come
up however was the issue. I mention this only because I already know that
it's a stupid idea to have three down and locked, and to bring them back up
again. I needed to know what was going on so that's what we did.

We landed with the good ol Midland Fire Department lining the runway and the
police even stopped by to offer us some doughnuts. Hey, this time we rated
three police cars, not just one. Danny has a great picture of one of them
writing me a ticket for speeding. What's the fine for 200MPH in a 45?

Anyway, we landed and somehow the right main oleo strut compressed enough to
drag and grind some of the gear door. After a while we were able to get a
set of jacks, air etc. We jacked the plane, messed around with it for a few
hours. We were able to make adjustments and had the gear cycling ok on the
ground. One interesting thing; with the Schrader valves OFF, each
retraction dumps about 7 psi of air from the oleo. They call for 100psi but
work ok down to 70 psi.

At this point, we have the plane down off of jacks to see if the struts hold
pressure, then we'll jack it one more time and try the retraction again. I
think we have it worked out but... we don't know yet.

More later from MAF

-Frank Pullano Jr with Danny "ShoeHorn" Cox
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Old 02-12-2006, 09:11 PM
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Another report from Frank Pullano. This should give some people an idea of what some retractable gear are all about. they are not to be played with by everyone.

After an afternoon of ops checks and troubleshooting we decided to give the
plane another flight but this time just around the pattern. I should say
that the gear works really well on the ground.

I took off, started into a climb so I was indicating 85 kts before I began
the main gear retraction. I don't know where they ended up but I don't
think they came all the way up. It felt like they were hung up somewhere.

As I turned downwind the alternator breaker popped and I could have sworn it
smelled like something was burning. I threw the gear down and told tower
that I was coming back right away. Once again, they rolled the fire trucks
and I set up for a really quick approach to final. It's a nice long runway
here so I didn't need to make the numbers, I just wanted to get back on the
ground in one piece so... in I came.

I checked and had three green so I went into the flare and touched down. It
was at this point where I knew I had a bigger problem than an alternator
breaker. As I touched, I could feel the other gear door dragging so I
lifted off a few inches and eased it in as gently as possible.

On the second touch down I was sure that I was dragging a door so I just
drove a few inches off until I didn't feel it grinding anymore, then a few
inches lower etc etc.. I was able to slowly grind away the gear door until
it was clear. (This airplane has shit gear right now but what a SWEET flying
airplane to have that much control in the flare!)

I rolled out and was certain that I didn't have extended oleos but I already
knew that from the grinding doors. I was able to taxi off followed by my
good buddies over at the fire house.

Once I was clear of the runway I shut down, hopped out and cycled the main
gear switch and wouldn't you know it, the OLEOS EXTENDED! UGGG! So I was
able to taxi back to my beloved parking spot with all the fresh hydraulic
stains and all kinds of other crap.

Danny and I removed what was left of the gear doors and are now working to
see if we can make them work with no doors. Flying with the legs out really
isn't going to be an option according to Bill who says that you
really can't get the speed up and have to limp at 120 knots or so.

If we don't have more luck with this gear minus the doors I'll be pretty
much out of ideas for the moment. So that's the scoop for now.

-Frank
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Old 02-13-2006, 04:17 PM
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But, But - they look soooooo easy and COOOOOOOOOOOl
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Old 02-13-2006, 05:33 PM
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Just to put this in perspective...

They later landed nose gear up in Texas! The only way I can get around the retractable gear problem is to build an RV.
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Old 06-24-2006, 12:10 AM
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Just to keep the retract fans up on things. they may want to read: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/canard...sage/32791?l=1
his comments on the subject are a little more suttle then mine but say the same things on the subject.
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Old 06-24-2006, 01:51 AM
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Just to keep the retract fans up on things. they may want to read: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/canard...sage/32791?l=1
his comments on the subject are a little more suttle then mine but say the same things on the subject.
I'll add to Lynn's bit here....

With Swing/Drybread gear they are held down by an overcenter clip and spring. There is no hydraulic pressure involved in holding the gear extended like Infinity and Berkut/ERacer style (Which can be landed on with no hydro pressure, but do not have 100% of the extension power they do with pressure so you should be gentle.)

If you dump the hydraulic pressure the gear extends just like it would if you used the pump to extend the cylinder and locks with the full strength that it always would.

So dumping the gear in one of these planes is not an Emergency procedure, it becomes an Abnormal procedure as there is no adverse effect or risk in doing the procedure.

I'm not berating the ERacer gear, nor the Infinity, just pointing out the strengths in having a very simple system.

100% gravity extension... as long as the pressure drops in the system it will come down and lock. No uplocks, no compression of struts, only gravity and time tested and proven springs.
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Old 06-24-2006, 10:15 AM
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What cracks me up is the obvious negating of Franks and others extensive piloting hours and pro-fish-ency in a statement like was posted..." and they landed nose gear up later in Texas"... Yep- it is SO SIMPLE....Be glib. Poke yur fun..
Just from me- I hope to never hear a complaint from any of you retract installers about your escapades with your decision- cuz all the fixed gear guys dont want to hear it. A lot of good high hour pilots have made a mistake of two- but at least the nose gear works when told to perform its function. Read the latest post on the mail-list for another postmortem on de-buring the leaking infinity gear..Good luck, I hope its worth it.
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