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Old 08-08-2006, 10:40 AM
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Okay, here it is. Symmetry. The ultimate finish we're all striving to accomplish.
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Old 08-08-2006, 11:40 AM
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Here is one to think about when you hear 'caution, wake turbulence'

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1091105/L/

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Old 08-08-2006, 02:30 PM
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WOW mark and Greg - GREAT pics. One to be extra wary of and the other to try and come close
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Old 08-08-2006, 09:07 PM
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... or this one.

http://p.airliners.net/photos/middle/6/4/9/0332946.jpg
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Old 08-09-2006, 03:00 PM
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This is my first attempt ever to load a pix so pardon any errors... but if I do mess up it will be appropriate at least

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Old 08-11-2006, 10:34 PM
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Just one last thing before I get back to work. Here's a fresh shot looking out the window... And oddly enough a Dragonfly just flew by. I don't know how it got inside the building though.
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Old 08-18-2006, 09:52 AM
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Cool canard concept:
(Look at the plane in the picture):
http://flash.aopa.org/technology/

A C-wing canard and at the same time seems to have all that my "dream canard" would have in terms of configuration, style and equipment.
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Old 08-18-2006, 11:24 AM
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Is that a real plane, cause, the engine cowl looks to slope in way too fast
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Old 08-18-2006, 12:49 PM
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Could be just a artist's conception. But beautiful it is (IMHO).
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Old 08-19-2006, 11:43 AM
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Yes, I have the printed issue, and it is just the artist concept of "Future Tech".

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Old 08-19-2006, 12:31 PM
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Yes, nice styling. But just think, if they swept the wings to put the winglets further behind, you wouldn't need to haul around those two booms. It looks like a turbo-prop, there's not much distance between the prop and the ground already. Because of that it's very limited on pitch near the ground.

If you've ever sat in a smaller, rounded fuselage like that, you'll find that you need to kink your head toward the center of the aircraft.

C-wings? Will we be seeing upside-down G wings soon? Or spiral-tip wings?


That Adams aircraft, based here, flies out all the time. It just left a little while ago (nice rainy IFR day) on an IFR flight into Kansas. The tail on that really is enormous. Too much material. Compare that tail with the tail you have on a standard twin. Cool and distinctive styling sells but there's got to be performance loss. So now they want to put jets on it. Compare that tail with what a typical biz-jet hauls around. Why do it? I wouldn't buy one if i were responsible for using the company's money.

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Old 08-21-2006, 12:35 PM
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Saw this Piaggio 180 Avanti II at Oshkosh. There's one here at PTK. For the price of this bird you can have a jet. The inside is as beautiful is the outside. But got to hand it to those Italians when you want something sexy.....
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Old 08-22-2006, 06:08 AM
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That Adams aircraft, based here, flies out all the time. It just left a little while ago (nice rainy IFR day) on an IFR flight into Kansas. The tail on that really is enormous. Too much material. Compare that tail with the tail you have on a standard twin. Cool and distinctive styling sells but there's got to be performance loss. So now they want to put jets on it. Compare that tail with what a typical biz-jet hauls around. Why do it? I wouldn't buy one if i were responsible for using the company's money.
I guess you are aware that the designer of that Adam Aircraft was actually Burt Rutan?
http://www.scaled.com/projects/Adam_M309.html
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Old 08-22-2006, 12:25 PM
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I guess you are aware that the designer of that Adam Aircraft was actually Burt Rutan?
http://www.scaled.com/projects/Adam_M309.html
I know that his company manufactured it at a client's request. I assume the client gave him at least some sketches of what he wanted and BurtCo then helped tweek the engineering. For $$, wouldn't you build a clients plane you thought was a dud? By the way, I saw the jet-powered Adams fly in yesterday afternoon. Its also on this weeks cover of AviationWeek with a write-up. Only it's appearance is appealing (to some), they aren't talking about it's performance, or lack of it.

Oh, back to the AOPA plane. You notice that additional vertical stabilizer on the mid fuselage, in addition to on the end of the booms? No skilled aero engineer would see the need to give it that many vertical stabilizers. Clearly designed by a graphics artist, surprised he didn't throw canards on the front of the boom too. The c-tip is probably the graphics artists attempted thinking.
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Old 08-22-2006, 01:08 PM
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I know that his company manufactured it at a client's request. I assume the client gave him at least some sketches of what he wanted and BurtCo then helped tweek the engineering.
Scaled did the design - not "tweak" the engineering.

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For $$, wouldn't you build a clients plane you thought was a dud?
Ummm, no-one tells Burt how to design planes :-). It's Scaled's design.

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Oh, back to the AOPA plane. You notice that additional vertical stabilizer on the mid fuselage, in addition to on the end of the booms?
That's not on the mid-fuse - it's the other wingtip's "C" winglet. Look carefully.

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No skilled aero engineer would see the need to give it that many vertical stabilizers.
And they didn't, cause it's not there. Winglets on the wings, and two vertical tails on the booms.

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Clearly designed by a graphics artist, surprised he didn't throw canards on the front of the boom too. The c-tip is probably the graphics artists attempted thinking.
Disagree. C-tip testing has shown aerodynamic advantages (at some structrural cost, not surprisingly).

To me, that actually looks like a pretty well thought out aircraft.
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