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![]() The RV and a cannard have over-lapping but different missions. Factor in the differences in build methodology and differing needs and different people will come up with different alternatives to their particular set of circumstances. Both the RV and the Cozy IV [to represent the cannard family] are great aircraft. There are others out there as well. There is a thread in VAF right now titled 'Nuts to go Certified'. I believe experimental is the only reasonable way for the majority of us to be able to fly: http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...8978#post78978 As long as it is well researched and considered each will choose the best aircraft to fit their mission/pocket book/time schedule/tastes/ abilities. Cozy IV and RVs are 2 of the best options imho... ymmv John |
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![]() Check out the room here: http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/rv-10spe.htm
The performance here: http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/rv-10per.htm The low price here: http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/kitprice.htm In three more weeks,,,mine will be here!! WHAAAAHOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! ![]() ![]()
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![]() The "low price" link must not be working...
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![]() The great thing about the plans built canards (Long or Cozy) is that you may start building with a small initial investment (plans, chapter material, fiberglass, foam, & epoxy.) For example, the chapter 4 materials are just over $500. For less than $1k you may start building at your leisure. Chapter 5 you need another $350, then $250 for chapter 6, etc. The quick build RV-10 is $46K plus interest.
The next great thing is the flexibility with the plans built system. Just look at all the canopy systems people are making, or retracts, or you could put a window in the strake, or change the shape/size of the nose door, or install Lynn E’s kick ass venturi exhaust system, etc, etc. The Cozy certainly takes considerably more time to build than the RV-10, but you could probably pay Denise Oelmann to build your entire airframe for less than a quick build RV-10. (just a hunch. I’ve no idea how much Oelmann would actually charge, but I think he quoted me about $8,800 for glassed wings ready to bolt on.) That said, the RV-10 really is a thing of beauty. Watching how quickly it went together, and how much utility it has, if I ever build a 4-seater, I’ll definitely build an RV-10.
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There is a difference is speed, fuel consumption, ability to land on grass or short strips and other significant criteria [purposefully balanced to list superior characteristics of each]. I propose that a 10% price difference AND a more than 10% in build time difference are both irrelevent in the decision process. Flexibility isn't an issue either [there are RVs with about anything your can conceive flying as there are canards]. Build what fits your mission and your personalty. INCREMENTAL $$$$, time or model flexibility don't come into play when meeting real needs. just my opinion ymmv John |
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![]() This is a great thread, thanks for pulling back out of the abyss!! I never even considered the RV, but it looks like a very good choice. The problem is, I want to start building NOW because I feel NOW is the right time. I also do not want any more loans, so Cozy IV, here I come....
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If you want to design your own plane then no, the RV won't fit your needs. If you want composite or a cannard ... nope... If you want to use grass strips or t/o or land in 1/2 the distance of a canard or be done quicker or have a more stable IFR platform [not to say the Cozy IV isn't just isn't 'as'] then the RV is a better candidate. neither is wrong ... just different... again, the $$$ are a non issue. If you don't have the $3,310 for the empennage kit to begin then save $550 a month for 6 months. I bet 2 ppl starting at the same time... at the end of 9 months both the RV and Cozy IV builder will have approximately the same % of their aircraft completed. I'd wager that that the RV builder will be flying sooner than the Cozy IV builder too. as respectfully, John |
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You won't find a RV-10 that's been built for less than $70K, if that's even possible, given the $36K kit cost (NOT quickbuild). Most are between $100K and $150K, from the builders I've spoken to at OSH. The cost ratio is closer to 2:1 than 1.1:1. Great plane, the RV-10, but don't kid yourself into thinking that you can build it for the price of a COZY MKIV.
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![]() Vans estimates $100K build with minimal VFR avionics (keep in mind the IO-540 & adjustable pitch prop) This is way more than a Cozy. My friend built his for about $150K.
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![]() I had just under $17,000 into my Cozy fuselodge when I sold it to Thane, and it was not yet complete and built on a budget. Add another $1100 for the featherlite cowling with the shipping, $800 for the engine mount. I saved at least $1000 fabing the metal parts. The price of the materials have gone up considerably since we began. No way anyone starting now will be under $20K for the rolling Cozy MKIV fuselodge. My RV-10 at that stage will be $37K with shipping. Cowlings, fairings, engine mount is included in their kits. Just add a few dollars for options. I will be using my Renesis (225 hp) for power. It will be at the lower spectrum of the suitable hp the RV-10 is designed for, (210 to 260 hp), but will still give very respectable performance! Add $8000 for the engine and $2300 for an IVO C/S prop, then another $16,000 for navigation and avionics, and $6k for paint and interior and I will be easily under $70k. Thane estimates he will have $64k when done on his Cozy MKIV. That is a VERY nicely equiped Cozy MKIV with BM, AP, Brand new XP-IO-360 engine, C/S MT prop, Brand new IFR package, on and on. When done, I won't be that far away $$$ from a comparibly equiped MKIV.
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![]() Oh my GAWD, I must have the WORST of all worlds.
![]() ![]() ![]() Even though this has been an entertaining thread, it still seems not to be an apples to apples comparison, obviously. The RV-10 you are speaking of Dave, would not, if I understand correctly, be very close in price if it too was powered by a new Lyc...that would escelate the total price. Don't get me wrong, I applaud the use of a rotary, but it is at the lower end of the sprectrum for your use, while a Lyc is what is called out for in a Cozy. I too do think a plans build is a great way to go to help manage the realities of cash flow. If'n I would not have had a couple of clients pay me what they owed me (money I never expected to see) kinda out of the blue, I would not, in all likelyhood, got the plane/kit I preferred. I was even considering the wood Barracuda so I could build something that met most of my criteria.........fast, at least two, but MUCH preferabley four, place, single engine cross country plane that could be equipped for IFR. There is something to be said for not saving, but to start building. The Velo did fit what I want and there is something kewl about it to me. . That being said, if I build another, it could very well be an RV (7?) (Jana really seems to like RV's....but, I know if I would have originally gotten and RV, she would really like the Canards ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() So, the original question was "Why are Van's RV so popular?" BECAUSE IT IS A DAMN FINE PLANE. And that fact in no way diminishes other damn fine planes.....like the Velo, Cozy, EZ, Lancair or even a flybaby, if that suites your taste. Not only are they all fine planes, they are fine planes that can still be had by the guy or gal or somewhat "average means"....if not average perseverance ![]() ![]() ![]() Actually, it may be kinda hard to find a certifed plane that is as versitile as most RV's.......the certified may be restricted by their very certification and the strangle hold of both gov't regulations and what may sell to a more "vanilla" GA public. FWIW. All the best, Chris Last edited by CBarber : 10-20-2006 at 02:56 AM. |
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![]() Kit, plans, glass, aluminum, wood, sleek, not sleek.
YOU GOTTA build what you LOVE and what fills a long term mission.
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Enjoy the build,njut av byggandet, godere il costruire, nyd bygningen, geniesse den Bau, apolafse tin kataskevi, disfrute la construcción, curta a construção, Pidä hauskaa rakentamisen parissa, bouw lekker,uživaj grade?inaslajdaites postroikoi, geniet die bou dust maker of wood, fiberglass, foam dust, metal bits and one day a Cozy will pop out and swiftly whisk me from meeting old friends and family to adventures throughout the world |
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